my name is raymond mingaud,it is entirely probable that francois mingaud is my ancestor.i believe that my earlier ancestors where from le cailar,i-e 1640-1702.
just thought i would let you know.
Hi Ray…cousin Brian here from Runcorn, how are you?
danigascsaid:
07/02/2015
Hi Raymond,
I don’t know where you are from. I am iving in Le Cailar (France ) and all my parents lived there too for generations . I am in an association dealing with local history and we recently discovered that a famous “cailaren” lived and died in the Netherlands : François Mingaud. No one in the village even among the eldest citizens knew F. Mingaud. And thus we decided to try discovering about his life . In fact I found very little document others than what you will read in Wikipédia. So if you or anyone else know a little about your possible ancestor’s life , please let me know.
Regards
I’ve been researching Mingaud for years and – in 1990 – found out his first name François. The last few years, due to the internet and certain archives, I was able to find many more things on this Frenchman.
I’m anxious to know what you found out.
I have come across this site completely by chance and wonder if the following is already known or of interest to those of you researching Francois Mingaud….. On 15 October 1803 by licence at Bath St James, Somerset, England, a Martha Bartley married a Frances Mingaud. Three months later, 26 January 1804, an Edward George Henry Mingaud was baptised at St Paul, Convent Garden, Middlesex, England, son of Francis and Frances Mingaud. EGHM, his subsequent marriage and birth of six children can be followed through UK Census records. I have not researched that information any further.
The reason I think the above possibly connects to Francois Mingaud is the subject of billiards. I believe it likely that Martha Bartley was a sister of Edward Bartley (my subject of interest). Edward was the son of Mr Bartley – box-keeper at the Bath Theatre. He had a brother George who became a well known actor/comedian/theatre manager, although George’s greater claim to fame was probably his actress wife. At the time of his own death Edward was proprietor of the Cheltenham Assembly Rooms. However, his early career was billiards.
The Metropolitan Magazine Vol 2 1836 wrote: …Edward was the far-famed “Jouer des billards”, the dashing youth who challenged all Europe, and who realised a handsome fortune by beating French, Dutchman, and Spaniard, at the noble name; for, like a good actor, Edward Bartley was aready at his cue…”
“One of the few whose name has been handed down to posterity is John-generally known as Jack-Carr. He was originally marker for Mr. Bartley, the proprietor of the billiard-tables at the Upper Rooms at Bath. When business there was slack, Mr. Bartley and Carr used occasionally to amuse themselves by placing the red ball on the centre spot, and attempting to screw off it into one of the middle pockets without bringing the red ball back into baulk. Such a stroke would be easier under the conditions then existing of slow list cushions and rough baize cloths than it is now, and for a long time Mr. Bartley was the only person who could accomplish it. At last he confided to Carr that he did it by striking his own ball upon its side. It seems pretty cleat, therefore, that Mr. Bartley was the inventor of the side stroke end screw; but he appears to have made very little practical use of his great discovery; whereas Carr, who soon outstripped his instructor in proficiency at this particular stroke turned his knowledge to excellent account, and fairly astonished and mystified the frequenters of the billiard-room at Bath by the ease and certainty with which he brought off apparently impossible strokes.”
You are right Alison Milden . . . François Mingaud married in 1803 with Frances Bartley. I did some research and I am convinced right at this moment descendants of the couple are living in or around Liverpool, England. In certain letters, written in the prison in Paris, France, he calls her Fanny.
I’m contemplating writing a small booklet on Mingaud. I managed to cover his Dutch period (already in 1819 his name is mentioned in documents in the Rotterdam municipal archives, he died in there in 1847) and furthermore the period he spent in jail in France.
I hope I’ll succeed in gathering any material from the short period he more or less lived in England (1802-1804).
Hi Cees, I am a descendant of Francois Mingaud. My maternal grandmother’s maiden name was Lilian Mingaud, born in Liverpool in the early 20th century. Her married name was Lilian Foley. I would love to hear from anyone with information about Francois Mingaud. All I am aware of is the information on Wikipedia. Many thanks.
Nice to hear from you being a descendant of François Mingaud. Nearly four years ago I came up with – not a booklet – but a genuine book of 260 pages on Mingaud, in Dutch.
May be it would be better to get in touch with me by e-mail if you would be interested: ceessprangers@home.nl
I take the opportunity to wish you a prosperous 2023.
Carombil 
my name is raymond mingaud,it is entirely probable that francois mingaud is my ancestor.i believe that my earlier ancestors where from le cailar,i-e 1640-1702.
just thought i would let you know.
regards,ray mingaud
Thanks for the information my friend.It’s realy unbelievable!!!!
Hi Ray…cousin Brian here from Runcorn, how are you?
07/02/2015
Hi Raymond,
I don’t know where you are from. I am iving in Le Cailar (France ) and all my parents lived there too for generations . I am in an association dealing with local history and we recently discovered that a famous “cailaren” lived and died in the Netherlands : François Mingaud. No one in the village even among the eldest citizens knew F. Mingaud. And thus we decided to try discovering about his life . In fact I found very little document others than what you will read in Wikipédia. So if you or anyone else know a little about your possible ancestor’s life , please let me know.
Regards
Hello Danigasc,
I’ve been researching Mingaud for years and – in 1990 – found out his first name François. The last few years, due to the internet and certain archives, I was able to find many more things on this Frenchman.
I’m anxious to know what you found out.
Sincerely,
Cees Sprangers
I have come across this site completely by chance and wonder if the following is already known or of interest to those of you researching Francois Mingaud….. On 15 October 1803 by licence at Bath St James, Somerset, England, a Martha Bartley married a Frances Mingaud. Three months later, 26 January 1804, an Edward George Henry Mingaud was baptised at St Paul, Convent Garden, Middlesex, England, son of Francis and Frances Mingaud. EGHM, his subsequent marriage and birth of six children can be followed through UK Census records. I have not researched that information any further.
The reason I think the above possibly connects to Francois Mingaud is the subject of billiards. I believe it likely that Martha Bartley was a sister of Edward Bartley (my subject of interest). Edward was the son of Mr Bartley – box-keeper at the Bath Theatre. He had a brother George who became a well known actor/comedian/theatre manager, although George’s greater claim to fame was probably his actress wife. At the time of his own death Edward was proprietor of the Cheltenham Assembly Rooms. However, his early career was billiards.
The Metropolitan Magazine Vol 2 1836 wrote: …Edward was the far-famed “Jouer des billards”, the dashing youth who challenged all Europe, and who realised a handsome fortune by beating French, Dutchman, and Spaniard, at the noble name; for, like a good actor, Edward Bartley was aready at his cue…”
“One of the few whose name has been handed down to posterity is John-generally known as Jack-Carr. He was originally marker for Mr. Bartley, the proprietor of the billiard-tables at the Upper Rooms at Bath. When business there was slack, Mr. Bartley and Carr used occasionally to amuse themselves by placing the red ball on the centre spot, and attempting to screw off it into one of the middle pockets without bringing the red ball back into baulk. Such a stroke would be easier under the conditions then existing of slow list cushions and rough baize cloths than it is now, and for a long time Mr. Bartley was the only person who could accomplish it. At last he confided to Carr that he did it by striking his own ball upon its side. It seems pretty cleat, therefore, that Mr. Bartley was the inventor of the side stroke end screw; but he appears to have made very little practical use of his great discovery; whereas Carr, who soon outstripped his instructor in proficiency at this particular stroke turned his knowledge to excellent account, and fairly astonished and mystified the frequenters of the billiard-room at Bath by the ease and certainty with which he brought off apparently impossible strokes.”
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You are right Alison Milden . . . François Mingaud married in 1803 with Frances Bartley. I did some research and I am convinced right at this moment descendants of the couple are living in or around Liverpool, England. In certain letters, written in the prison in Paris, France, he calls her Fanny.
I’m contemplating writing a small booklet on Mingaud. I managed to cover his Dutch period (already in 1819 his name is mentioned in documents in the Rotterdam municipal archives, he died in there in 1847) and furthermore the period he spent in jail in France.
I hope I’ll succeed in gathering any material from the short period he more or less lived in England (1802-1804).
Cees Sprangers
Hi Cees, I am a descendant of Francois Mingaud. My maternal grandmother’s maiden name was Lilian Mingaud, born in Liverpool in the early 20th century. Her married name was Lilian Foley. I would love to hear from anyone with information about Francois Mingaud. All I am aware of is the information on Wikipedia. Many thanks.
Alison Geib
Dear Alison Geib,
Nice to hear from you being a descendant of François Mingaud. Nearly four years ago I came up with – not a booklet – but a genuine book of 260 pages on Mingaud, in Dutch.
May be it would be better to get in touch with me by e-mail if you would be interested: ceessprangers@home.nl
I take the opportunity to wish you a prosperous 2023.
Best wishes,
Cees Sprangers
Hello again Cees and greetings Alison Geib. I’m happy to see that this story continues.
Best wishes for the new year ahead
Alison from NZ
Quiero comprarme un baul de madera. Mis amigos me han recomendado mirar en esta web. Tiene buena pinta. ¿Alguien la conoce?
Dear Alison Mildon,
Thanks. I’m a few hours too late, however best wishes for 2023. Another hour and a half over here, and we’re plunging into the new year . . .
Greetings,
Cees Sprangers